I mean, you're not wrong, but that's even less enforceable.SwordPlay wrote:As well as a NSFW tag in the gamelist, it would be nice if games had content warnings as well when they run.
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Adding splash screens seems a bit much. It may be a nice thing to do as a courtesy but I wouldn't require it.
Tbh I'm not the kind of guy who cares about nsfw content, as you can tell from the fact that my hotohr project started with a cannibal sex joke. I just want to know where the lines are, because I'm sure some people think I've crossed the line and then some.
In my opinion I think nsfw games are different from games with nsfw content. A game might have some cheeky jokes and low rez boobs but if it still has other legs to stand on besides its third leg then I believe it is ok. Dungeonmen had a naked lady getting murdered and its considerred an ohr classic.
Games that exist solely for porn/fetish content or have it as one of the driving themes may need more examination of whether it is appropriate for this site. The latest games that set off this train of thought had no legs to stand on besides a wierdass fetish and someone else's graphics. If that's ok then does that mean I can add some slime pics to a game or make an rpg adaptation of "Night of the Cannibal Coyote Women?" We as a community have to determine these limits I suppose.
It's a difficult situation, but everyone's gangsta until someone puts endoscopy footage in an ohr game.
Tbh I'm not the kind of guy who cares about nsfw content, as you can tell from the fact that my hotohr project started with a cannibal sex joke. I just want to know where the lines are, because I'm sure some people think I've crossed the line and then some.
In my opinion I think nsfw games are different from games with nsfw content. A game might have some cheeky jokes and low rez boobs but if it still has other legs to stand on besides its third leg then I believe it is ok. Dungeonmen had a naked lady getting murdered and its considerred an ohr classic.
Games that exist solely for porn/fetish content or have it as one of the driving themes may need more examination of whether it is appropriate for this site. The latest games that set off this train of thought had no legs to stand on besides a wierdass fetish and someone else's graphics. If that's ok then does that mean I can add some slime pics to a game or make an rpg adaptation of "Night of the Cannibal Coyote Women?" We as a community have to determine these limits I suppose.
It's a difficult situation, but everyone's gangsta until someone puts endoscopy footage in an ohr game.
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SwordPlay wrote:As well as a NSFW tag in the gamelist, it would be nice if games had content warnings as well when they run.
Mogri wrote:I mean, you're not wrong, but that's even less enforceable.
I don't even know how something like that COULD be enforced? That would be as difficult as requiring every game to have a "Powered by OHRRPGCE" splash screen at the beginning. I mean for the big projects that get ported to Steam or the Android APP store, that's an idea with some merit, but I wouldn't want that to be a requirement.Idontknow wrote:Adding splash screens seems a bit much. It may be a nice thing to do as a courtesy but I wouldn't require it.
And even if you DID enforce a "content warning screen" or something at the start of every game, what about all the OLD games that the authors' don't have the project files for anymore? I guarantee if there was a requirement that every game needed a warning screen, then game authors would rather just pull their games off the game list, than spend time updating 10+ game packages that they'd rather just collect dust.
The best solution is probably going to be one that's easy for game authors to do, not prone to abuse, and requires as little work as possible. Something that preferably incorporates the tag list. I would suggest a popup box tied to the game's download page that says something like "this game has been flagged with X, Y, and Z tags, and may not be suitable for all players. Are you an adult, and would you still like to download this game". Clicking YES downloads the game as normal, clicking NO takes you back to the game list.
I don't know the feasibility for something like that either. But that's probably something most people would agree to.
I remember the controversy back then! Given how some people reacted to that, you'd think they'd have lost their minds!Idontknow wrote:Dungeonmen had a naked lady getting murdered and its considerred an ohr classic.
I don't think there should be any re-examination here. If the game has other merits, with adult situations not being the main narrative or gameplay focus, then it's probably okay - just be sure to tag the game with NSFW or "Adult Situations" first.Idontknow wrote:Games that exist solely for porn/fetish content or have it as one of the driving themes may need more examination of whether it is appropriate for this site.
If the point of the game *IS* the porn, it shouldn't be on Slime Salad. End of story.
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Yeeeah rereading my post I was being kinda flighty and polite in my wording haha (Gonna blame that one on writing the post on my lunchbreak at work).Fenrir-Lunaris wrote: I don't think there should be any re-examination here. If the game has other merits, with adult situations not being the main narrative or gameplay focus, then it's probably okay - just be sure to tag the game with NSFW or "Adult Situations" first.
No, I wholeheartedly agree with you, that was pretty much the main idea behind my "nsfw game vs game with nsfw content" premise. It's pretty much why I frown on these lousy "Generic vikings graphics city with VORE" fetish games that were slimed onto the gamelist recently (no pun intended) yet am more than happy to roll out a red carpet for "No Eat: Prepare for Seconds Edition".
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Considering that's the time I started using the engine, that sounds good to me.Fenrir-Lunaris wrote:Just played the remaster of No Eat. It's like stepping back in time and playing an OHR game from like 2003 on Operation OHR.
One thing No Eat did solidify for me in terms of game design was that I like giving heroes single-digit max MP and spells that cost 1 or 2 MP apiece. Tendo doesn't even have any that cost 2 in this game, though I considered it (couldn't think of anything I could give him that wouldn't either wind up being too good not to use and thus obsolete the other spells, or be too expensive to be worthwhile at that price).
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I don't remember if Sephy used music or not (couldn't get his game to run at all) but if he did, I was the only person in the Say It Ain't So Contest to actually follow the "make your own audio exclusively" rule. Considering the two of us got the bottom half of placements it goes to show what following the rules gets you!Idontknow wrote:The music was a nice addition, glad you added some to the game.
Since the re-release is not part of said contest, it no longer needs to adhere to contest rules.
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No Eat would've just had standard OHR sample music if it weren't for the contest's "make your own audio" rule, hahaGizmog wrote:I don't know if there's an audio equivalent of a shock image, but I'm sure we would've all heard a few dozen of 'em if not for that rule.
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Put an improved and also uncensored version on my Itch.io - in fact, when it comes to matters scatological this one is actually slightly more disturbing than the initial release. I also buffed several of the offensive options (Half Axe, Ring Boomerang, and Lockpick are all better weapons, acid splash does loads of damage) and also boosted the defense value of all the armor you get out of treasure chests using lockpicks.
And irony relating to my last post in this thread: This version now (mostly) uses default OHR music. The itch.io crowd will be less oversaturated with those and some of them just sounded a lot more appropriate to the in-game scenes and locations than random Kevin MacLeod tunes did.
So basically, this is me leaning even heavier into my original artistic vision for the game no matter who it disgusts or offends.
Put an improved and also uncensored version on my Itch.io - in fact, when it comes to matters scatological this one is actually slightly more disturbing than the initial release. I also buffed several of the offensive options (Half Axe, Ring Boomerang, and Lockpick are all better weapons, acid splash does loads of damage) and also boosted the defense value of all the armor you get out of treasure chests using lockpicks.
And irony relating to my last post in this thread: This version now (mostly) uses default OHR music. The itch.io crowd will be less oversaturated with those and some of them just sounded a lot more appropriate to the in-game scenes and locations than random Kevin MacLeod tunes did.
So basically, this is me leaning even heavier into my original artistic vision for the game no matter who it disgusts or offends.
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I'd rather have something safe and beautiful for the next generation too. But it's usually born out of something much more difficult (thematically).Bob the Hamster wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:57 am While I definitely don't want to drive game authors away by censoring their work, I also very much don't want to drive game authors away by not having any kind of community standards about appropriate content. Those are challenging things to balance.
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I would like this to remain a community that I wouldn't mind letting my own kids join someday if they were interested.
Our games should be a way of overcoming these difficult concepts(themes), just so happens that's not always kid-friendly.
If you want the best future and community for your children, you should consider how you might achieve that. By censoring them? Or by treating everyone as mature adults, individuals and equals?
If your children should be worthy of joining the society, it should be because they came to our level (of maturity), not because we came to theirs (ostensibly. depends how good your kids are)
I myself detest the idea of being censored for a solely child-aligned audience. Sure, I would like to make points to kids, but it's not my sole aim.
I consider myself mature and want to aim at mature perspectives and ideas. Maybe I am a giant child. Who knows? Still, that is the point of artistry to such an extent, for many people.We want to attempt being adults, despite not having children or whatever. It's quite different to expect the society to conform to your idea of what your children might like. Or what you think they might(should) like.
Albeit that is not a bad thing considering your good judgement. Still it is hardly comprehensive.
Can we cover all important themes like this? Based on what is appropriate for children?
Gore and sex (mature...dark themes...etc.,) are intrinsic to life. Whoever denies that is delusional. That is life itself.
Imagine the fundamental nature of life being taboo! It is the truth of existence that is swept under the rug of normality.
We must be free to express this in some measure, if not here, then elsewhere.
For that is the point of artistry, to make cogent and coherent our life experiences, no matter how disgusting they may be.... who are we to censor our own experiences for our audience? the thought is sickening... I hope for a more enlightened community. One that is safe for children. Is it the world which is NSFW that we portray it in our works? Or is it we who are NSFW? Shall we make such judgements about others? Or about ourselves?
I do not know what to think about being part of such a community.
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