misterj wrote:i almost wish we could afford to have a 10 dollar registration fee like the somethingawful forums do. keeps trolls and people not serious about forums away.
Are you kidding me? SA has dozens of probations and bans a day. The fee doesn't keep trolls out, it keeps a massive, costly site functioning, so I'm ok with it. It wouldn't make sense on any small forum.
well, it's also a big forum, but really, compare it to how it'd be like without the 10 dollar fee... i'd say it does a good job.
JSH357 wrote:SA's forums are not really that different from 4chan's.
Surlaw wrote:Splitting this from the Ask Fortis thread because it's seriously worthless to read.
misterj wrote:i almost wish we could afford to have a 10 dollar registration fee like the somethingawful forums do. keeps trolls and people not serious about forums away.
Are you kidding me? SA has dozens of probations and bans a day. The fee doesn't keep trolls out, it keeps a massive, costly site functioning, so I'm ok with it. It wouldn't make sense on any small forum.
JSH357 wrote:I would never pay $10 to post here, and SA's forums are not really that different from 4chan's.
This is also totally wrong and posting like people post on 4chan is pretty much an immediate ban on SA aside from the parody forums, which mostly suck now anyway.
SA's forums are just 4chan with more pretentious users and no porn; it isn't any better or any worse. I'll give it one thing: the forums are better than the main page. Methinks Surlaw and Wiz are biased because THEY PAID TO USE A FORUM ON THE INTERNET.
[s]And how am I wrong about refusing to pay $10 to post here? What the hell? If it came down to having to pay money, I'd just assume stick with CP.[/s]
Disregard that, didn't read the rest of the post.
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SA has dozens of tightly structured discussion forums dedicated to completely different userbases, 4chan appeals to one specific type of person/humor. The best forums on SA aren't the humor forums. There's overlap in users, but they're incredibly different forums in style and atmosphere. I'm not even saying one's better than the other, but they're remarkably different and it's insane to say they're not.
Bena, you get to be indignant OR request a ban, but not both. Besides, according to the very statement you were warned for, nothing we do means jack, which includes banning you.
For the record, you were banned because you asked to be banned. Your trolling didn't help things either, though. Insulting the admins is not the way to get ahead in life.
BENA wrote:Funny thing is, you and PHC
I'm not sure what PHC has to do with this. Fortis banned you. PHC isn't an admin here.
Wait, what? Can we get a recap of who's in power here?
Well, since it doesn't matter or anything....
Mogri and Fortis are admins, You, Surlaw, Me, and Jack are mods. Fortis is an admin so he can have access to the site layout, and other spiffy features. Edit: Edited for clarity
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Having read this entire thread, I have to speak up. I strongly object to banning Bena. I dislike some of what he said, and I dislike Nihilism in general, but what I dislike far more is silencing the views of others, even when I don't happen to like those views :(
I respectfully request an unbanning. (though I get the impression that he might not come back either way)
There's a separate discussion thread on CP about this, since Bena wanted to talk about it, I guess. Here is the official statement to Bena regarding his ban:
Fortis didn't discuss the ban with me beforehand, but we've talked since. You're not permanently banned; on the off chance you decide to be less of a slime hole, we'll lift it and you can return to posting there. I've said it before and here it is again: I don't have anything against you personally. Your behavior on the website was, however, unacceptable, and had it continued you would have been banned anyway.
It's worth mentioning that Slime Salad is not Castle Paradox. It is a site about making games. To be a contributing community member requires more than just posting, it requires active participation in some part of the game design process. Were you a contributing community member in that sense, it would be harder to justify a ban. But when you're just there to "ruffle peoples' feathers" [i.e. troll] by your own admission, the community has no need for you.
For the record, Bena was banned because he asked to be banned, not because we disagreed with his views. Fortis made a judgment call in choosing to ban Bena. Whether I would have done the same if I had gotten here first, I don't know. The bottom line is that Bena's behavior was inappropriate and Fortis took action against it, which is his responsibility as co-administrator.
For the record, Bena was banned because he asked to be banned, not because we disagreed with his views.
Bena is a jerk, I don't think anyone's here to argue that, and he did admit to being a troll so I don't think a ban was uncalled for. But he only asked to be banned and posted that big rant because you already threatened him with a ban. What Bena said was stupid but your threat only made things worse. After the fact you justify it with "he was a troll" and "he asked for it," which are both perfectly good reasons to ban him, but here's what you actually said to him:
I'll tolerate your trolling to a much greater extent than I'll tolerate your nihilist slime.
And this bothers me a lot more than the fact that he was banned.
This isn't an issue of free speech. I support Bena's right to his opinion, though I can see how you might construe otherwise from that quote. As Surlaw said, though, "Posting 'nothing you do is worth anything' in a creative community is incredibly hostile."
Let's not forget that Bena was trolling up to and including when he said that. Ask yourself if you could see me reacting the same way had he dropped that line in a non-trolling context. Ask yourself, if it were a matter of limiting speech, why this thread isn't locked yet.
For future notice, Fortis can be sort of ban-happy. He seems to be of the opinion that kicking someone off the forums for a week is a lot better than the entire forum spending that week arguing with the local troll. He's also been doing this sort of thing way longer than I have. (Not too many of you remember Zantetsuken, the precursor to CP.)
