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Ok so I was thinking about getting some input on this, so w0uld you guys think I should make a sequel to Hentai Quest: Tuesday Edition? It's pretty infamous among the community, so I think it definitely deserves a much waited-for follow up. And this time it can be as fully explicit and inappropriate as the title suggests! (and as everyone secretly wants it to be) Who's with my guys?
This is not happening. No. Never. Sorry for wasting your time.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife
I have a great idea
Thu May 28, 2015 5:52 am 
Thu May 28, 2015 8:21 am
You can do whatever you want (pursuant to the rules, obviously) but try to remember that Hentai Quest was made for the Terrible Games Contest. The point was to be kind of terrible, and worse! was to sucker you in with the promise of Hentai. I don't think the author's intent was to arouse and so a sequel which delivered would kinda be missing the point.
If you're asking "Is it okay to have a game with boobies?" then I think the answer's yes: So long as you're 18 and you're not advertising the game to kids (And are following the rules!), that can be okay. Ideally you should be putting boobs in because it's a natural place for boobs and they're tonally and artistically appropriate, not just throw boobs in for boobs sake but... you know, shit happens.
TL:DR: You can call your game Hentai Quest if you want to trick people into downloading it. That's awesome. You can put boobs into a game if you want to trick people into downloading it. That's sleazy, but it works. You should always be careful when emulating a game that was designed to be terrible. That's common sense. Don't ever break the rules, that's lame.
EDIT: And reading your post again, you mention one of your driving factors: The game's "Infamy" in the community. You want to be outrageous, I guess. I've been there: It's way easier to make somethingg outrageous than fun, and a lot of art is trying to get a response from the audience.
Things like boobies, jokes or trolling are a natural choice because they get such an immediate response: Horniness! Laughter! Anger! and they don't require a whole lot of thought. You can write it off as "Oh, I was just being terrible :P" and not feel too hurt because you didn't really put yourself out there, you know? That's another thing the community's talked about a lot over the years, and we discussed it in IRC not too long ago: How everything's getting less and less sincere.
Look at the recent Hollywood remakes of Scooby Doo or the Dukes of Hazard. They're acknowledging "Yeah, these were shows! People used to watch these! This makes money!" but at the same time distancing themselves like "Can you believe people used to watch these? A talking dog who's hungry all the time, THAT SURE SOUNDS LIKE MARRIJUANA! Two southern guys livin with their cousin, I BET THERE WAS INCEST!" it's that whole high school first date "Didn't you like the concert? Yeah, me neither" bullshit.
Creators are afraid to try to make something their own, or even emulate something they liked because it would mean admitting they liked it! So you gotta toe the line. You gotta joke like "This is the tutorial level XD" because you're too chicken to make a game without a tutorial level, or to admit that your game needs one!
Case in point: We all love Adam West as Batman. Part of the fun is that the show is so cheesy, and an extra part of the fun is that the show knows that its cheesy and embraces the cheese. But the guys who did that show were also super talented. What they were doing was entertaining, and they believed in their show and that shows. That's not something everyone can do though, and it's not something everyone should do.
Take a second case: Gilligan's Island. The core premise of the show is that these people are trapped on an island. For the show to continue, they have to continue being on an island. We might be in the future now and have hindsight in our favor, but take it from someone who was there: We weren't tuning in each week because we thought they'd finally escape! You tuned in for the characters and the situations. There were gorillas and cosmonauts and robots and headhunters. You had that rich crazy people angle, you had the Laurel and Hardy angle, you had the nerd with coconuts (A precursor to your Urkels of today!), and two hot chickies (Our very own Hilton and Ritchie).
That's where we hook up with Hentai Quest again (Holy shit, I knew I had a point)! The show could've worked just fine with Gilligan and the Skipper. Why were Ginger and Mary Anne there? For a long time, I thought it was just fan-service. Ginger was Hollywood Glam, Mary Anne was the practical farm-girl type. Now that I've had 50 years to think about it, the answer's more obvious: They're there because they gave the show options.
If it were just Gilligan and the Skipper, we'd care way more about the fact that they aren't going to get off the island. The "Why doesn't the Skipper eat Gilligan?" theory would have way more credibility, too. Ginger and Mary-Anne are hope. Even if they don't get off the island, it's not so bad because they might still have a life. The fulfillment of this hope is presented to us in Mr. and Mrs. Howell, who're indeed having a wonderful time together even if they would rather be home. A bad vacation, nothing more! The Professor gives us the hope that their lives will be normal: They'll have houses and radios and electric light.
I don't think it's a coincidence that every discussion about Gilligan's Island hits upon the same basic points:
Why do they continue to let Gilligan ruin their escapes?
Why can't the Professor make a boat?
Why did they bring 3 years worth of clothes for a three hour tour?
(This is the one the Tumblr guys hate, but I've never met anyone who didn't have an opinion on the matter): Do you think any of the non-Howells ever got married? Was the Professor left out?
The show never addresses any of those questions, because if it did it'd be hokey and also because the answers are there to protect the premise of the show: If they killed, shackled or debilitated Gilligan, we wouldn't be able to laugh.
It'd be boring to watch the Professor detail how to build a boat and sail it to Hawaii: Say what you want about Russ Johnson, but the man was no Bear Grylls.
They have to remain comfortable for the premise to remain funny: If their clothes are tattered, we fear for their safety. Gilligan fuckin up again isn't funny, it's a cruelty. This is why Good Times was never funny: the ghetto was too serious to fuck around with just because JJ wanted to be an artist and not something that would make money.
The last question is probably the show's bread and butter. There's a bit of wish fulfillment in being alone with a woman on a desert island (but the Howells and the Professor act as chaperones to keep things from getting too PG-13 for 60's tv) but it's not just a horny guy thing: Even women have POWERFUL opinions on whether or not Gilligan/MaryAnne Skipper/Ginger or Skipper/MaryAnne Gilligan/Ginger were the true couple, not to even get into the Professor hypotheticals. The universal constant was that we imagined that they were happy, perhaps in the company of their true loves, on this island. And if they never escape and just have an adventure every week, it isn't really a bad thing. Seriously go ask your mom. I guarantee if she's as old as I am, she's spent hours of her life thinking about this. Go into her bedroom and there's probably a "Skipper <3 Ginger" carved into the front of her lunchbox. Seriously!
So, if you haven't figured out my point by now (YES, I WAS SERIOUS WHEN I SAID I HAD ONE):
If you're going to make Hentai Quest, make it the Gilligan's Island of Hentai. Give us fantasy disguised as a curse, give us characters (even if they're stereotypes!) so we can enjoy a broad range of scenarios, and exciting guest stars. Give us things to think about, but don't offer any answers. DON'T make jokes about the shortcomings. And most importantly, don't EVER give us Hentai. Let us come close now and then, but don't ever actually fulfill the promise. If the rest of the game is good enough, we won't even care!
And don't try to be outrageous, that's also important in there.
EDIT EDIT: Gilligan's Island knew they were never going to fulfill their promise and they were okay with it. The show is Gilligan's Island after all, and not Survivors of The SS Minnow. If they left the island, they'd have to call it something else.
Likewise, Hentai Quest is about a Hentai QUEST. Once the quest is over, it's just Hentai, and we've got google for that. Embrace the fact that the quest never ends: The quest CAN never end. Do it! DO IT NOW!!!
EDIT EDIT EDIT: It's okay for us to make fun of the premise. It's in fact encouraged if we make fun of the premise! People like to feel superior to things. People feel superior to Adam West Batman, they feel superior to talking dogs driving vans. They like them all the more for it! People don't like it when someone they're better than just rolls over and admits they're right. Once you start acknowledging the flaws in your premise, you're losing that appeal! Play it 100% Straight: We all want Hentai, we're all questing for Hentai because Hentai is a thing worth questing for, god damnit!
Even when they've been playing for 3 days straight and they haven't seen a sign of nipple, let alone anything really H, you can't admit that there isn't anything: I mentioned that Ginger and Mary Anne were there to add hope to the show, I forgot to mention the best kind of hope, the kind of hope that the guest stars added every episode: FALSE hope. Even though we knew they weren't going to get off the island, we were able to suspend our disbelief and hope because humans are optimists and it's what we do.
Even though Hentai Quest is probably a joke and we're like "#SoStupid, omg lol!" for trying, it'd be an even bigger joke if Hentai Quest *did* have Hentai in it, and by not Questing for that Hentai the joke were on us! Think how pissed you'd be as a kid if you didn't watch Gilligan just one week, and BAM, that was the week they got off the island. We knew they wouldn't, we joked about it, but it was still a risk you could not take!
That's what you gotta tap into. The fear that the Hentai is just a little bit farther and that if you stop now, you'll never see it. Your friends will see it, they're strong willed young men and women who REALLY love hentai. You're just a Johnny Bandwagon-Jumper, and you don't have the perserverance required to REALLY Quest for Hentai.
IT's one thing to promise Hentai and apologize for not giving it: It's another thing to promise Hentai and have players apologize to you because they didn't quest hard enough to get it. I THINK WE KNOW WHICH SIDE OF THE EQUATION TO BE ON
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: I got more ideas! I got more advice! I'm gettin a sandwich and I'll be right back!
If you're asking "Is it okay to have a game with boobies?" then I think the answer's yes: So long as you're 18 and you're not advertising the game to kids (And are following the rules!), that can be okay. Ideally you should be putting boobs in because it's a natural place for boobs and they're tonally and artistically appropriate, not just throw boobs in for boobs sake but... you know, shit happens.
TL:DR: You can call your game Hentai Quest if you want to trick people into downloading it. That's awesome. You can put boobs into a game if you want to trick people into downloading it. That's sleazy, but it works. You should always be careful when emulating a game that was designed to be terrible. That's common sense. Don't ever break the rules, that's lame.
EDIT: And reading your post again, you mention one of your driving factors: The game's "Infamy" in the community. You want to be outrageous, I guess. I've been there: It's way easier to make somethingg outrageous than fun, and a lot of art is trying to get a response from the audience.
Things like boobies, jokes or trolling are a natural choice because they get such an immediate response: Horniness! Laughter! Anger! and they don't require a whole lot of thought. You can write it off as "Oh, I was just being terrible :P" and not feel too hurt because you didn't really put yourself out there, you know? That's another thing the community's talked about a lot over the years, and we discussed it in IRC not too long ago: How everything's getting less and less sincere.
Look at the recent Hollywood remakes of Scooby Doo or the Dukes of Hazard. They're acknowledging "Yeah, these were shows! People used to watch these! This makes money!" but at the same time distancing themselves like "Can you believe people used to watch these? A talking dog who's hungry all the time, THAT SURE SOUNDS LIKE MARRIJUANA! Two southern guys livin with their cousin, I BET THERE WAS INCEST!" it's that whole high school first date "Didn't you like the concert? Yeah, me neither" bullshit.
Creators are afraid to try to make something their own, or even emulate something they liked because it would mean admitting they liked it! So you gotta toe the line. You gotta joke like "This is the tutorial level XD" because you're too chicken to make a game without a tutorial level, or to admit that your game needs one!
Case in point: We all love Adam West as Batman. Part of the fun is that the show is so cheesy, and an extra part of the fun is that the show knows that its cheesy and embraces the cheese. But the guys who did that show were also super talented. What they were doing was entertaining, and they believed in their show and that shows. That's not something everyone can do though, and it's not something everyone should do.
Take a second case: Gilligan's Island. The core premise of the show is that these people are trapped on an island. For the show to continue, they have to continue being on an island. We might be in the future now and have hindsight in our favor, but take it from someone who was there: We weren't tuning in each week because we thought they'd finally escape! You tuned in for the characters and the situations. There were gorillas and cosmonauts and robots and headhunters. You had that rich crazy people angle, you had the Laurel and Hardy angle, you had the nerd with coconuts (A precursor to your Urkels of today!), and two hot chickies (Our very own Hilton and Ritchie).
That's where we hook up with Hentai Quest again (Holy shit, I knew I had a point)! The show could've worked just fine with Gilligan and the Skipper. Why were Ginger and Mary Anne there? For a long time, I thought it was just fan-service. Ginger was Hollywood Glam, Mary Anne was the practical farm-girl type. Now that I've had 50 years to think about it, the answer's more obvious: They're there because they gave the show options.
If it were just Gilligan and the Skipper, we'd care way more about the fact that they aren't going to get off the island. The "Why doesn't the Skipper eat Gilligan?" theory would have way more credibility, too. Ginger and Mary-Anne are hope. Even if they don't get off the island, it's not so bad because they might still have a life. The fulfillment of this hope is presented to us in Mr. and Mrs. Howell, who're indeed having a wonderful time together even if they would rather be home. A bad vacation, nothing more! The Professor gives us the hope that their lives will be normal: They'll have houses and radios and electric light.
I don't think it's a coincidence that every discussion about Gilligan's Island hits upon the same basic points:
Why do they continue to let Gilligan ruin their escapes?
Why can't the Professor make a boat?
Why did they bring 3 years worth of clothes for a three hour tour?
(This is the one the Tumblr guys hate, but I've never met anyone who didn't have an opinion on the matter): Do you think any of the non-Howells ever got married? Was the Professor left out?
The show never addresses any of those questions, because if it did it'd be hokey and also because the answers are there to protect the premise of the show: If they killed, shackled or debilitated Gilligan, we wouldn't be able to laugh.
It'd be boring to watch the Professor detail how to build a boat and sail it to Hawaii: Say what you want about Russ Johnson, but the man was no Bear Grylls.
They have to remain comfortable for the premise to remain funny: If their clothes are tattered, we fear for their safety. Gilligan fuckin up again isn't funny, it's a cruelty. This is why Good Times was never funny: the ghetto was too serious to fuck around with just because JJ wanted to be an artist and not something that would make money.
The last question is probably the show's bread and butter. There's a bit of wish fulfillment in being alone with a woman on a desert island (but the Howells and the Professor act as chaperones to keep things from getting too PG-13 for 60's tv) but it's not just a horny guy thing: Even women have POWERFUL opinions on whether or not Gilligan/MaryAnne Skipper/Ginger or Skipper/MaryAnne Gilligan/Ginger were the true couple, not to even get into the Professor hypotheticals. The universal constant was that we imagined that they were happy, perhaps in the company of their true loves, on this island. And if they never escape and just have an adventure every week, it isn't really a bad thing. Seriously go ask your mom. I guarantee if she's as old as I am, she's spent hours of her life thinking about this. Go into her bedroom and there's probably a "Skipper <3 Ginger" carved into the front of her lunchbox. Seriously!
So, if you haven't figured out my point by now (YES, I WAS SERIOUS WHEN I SAID I HAD ONE):
If you're going to make Hentai Quest, make it the Gilligan's Island of Hentai. Give us fantasy disguised as a curse, give us characters (even if they're stereotypes!) so we can enjoy a broad range of scenarios, and exciting guest stars. Give us things to think about, but don't offer any answers. DON'T make jokes about the shortcomings. And most importantly, don't EVER give us Hentai. Let us come close now and then, but don't ever actually fulfill the promise. If the rest of the game is good enough, we won't even care!
And don't try to be outrageous, that's also important in there.
EDIT EDIT: Gilligan's Island knew they were never going to fulfill their promise and they were okay with it. The show is Gilligan's Island after all, and not Survivors of The SS Minnow. If they left the island, they'd have to call it something else.
Likewise, Hentai Quest is about a Hentai QUEST. Once the quest is over, it's just Hentai, and we've got google for that. Embrace the fact that the quest never ends: The quest CAN never end. Do it! DO IT NOW!!!
EDIT EDIT EDIT: It's okay for us to make fun of the premise. It's in fact encouraged if we make fun of the premise! People like to feel superior to things. People feel superior to Adam West Batman, they feel superior to talking dogs driving vans. They like them all the more for it! People don't like it when someone they're better than just rolls over and admits they're right. Once you start acknowledging the flaws in your premise, you're losing that appeal! Play it 100% Straight: We all want Hentai, we're all questing for Hentai because Hentai is a thing worth questing for, god damnit!
Even when they've been playing for 3 days straight and they haven't seen a sign of nipple, let alone anything really H, you can't admit that there isn't anything: I mentioned that Ginger and Mary Anne were there to add hope to the show, I forgot to mention the best kind of hope, the kind of hope that the guest stars added every episode: FALSE hope. Even though we knew they weren't going to get off the island, we were able to suspend our disbelief and hope because humans are optimists and it's what we do.
Even though Hentai Quest is probably a joke and we're like "#SoStupid, omg lol!" for trying, it'd be an even bigger joke if Hentai Quest *did* have Hentai in it, and by not Questing for that Hentai the joke were on us! Think how pissed you'd be as a kid if you didn't watch Gilligan just one week, and BAM, that was the week they got off the island. We knew they wouldn't, we joked about it, but it was still a risk you could not take!
That's what you gotta tap into. The fear that the Hentai is just a little bit farther and that if you stop now, you'll never see it. Your friends will see it, they're strong willed young men and women who REALLY love hentai. You're just a Johnny Bandwagon-Jumper, and you don't have the perserverance required to REALLY Quest for Hentai.
IT's one thing to promise Hentai and apologize for not giving it: It's another thing to promise Hentai and have players apologize to you because they didn't quest hard enough to get it. I THINK WE KNOW WHICH SIDE OF THE EQUATION TO BE ON
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: I got more ideas! I got more advice! I'm gettin a sandwich and I'll be right back!
Thu May 28, 2015 10:59 am
Thu May 28, 2015 12:28 pm
Giz just wrote the book on it (whatever 'it' is).
But it can't take that long to get a sandwich. He must be writing a really long addendum.
But it can't take that long to get a sandwich. He must be writing a really long addendum.
Thu May 28, 2015 4:34 pm
Also, HQTE is already a sequel to HQ, and HQ already got another unofficial sequel that everyone forgot about because it was less of a joke game and more of an H-game. While I never played any of them, the basic premise was:
HQ: Big lead-up to something gross-looking
HQTE: The store is closed on Tuesdays
Unofficial sequel: Poorly-imported BMPs
The engine isn't well-suited to be a porn consumption medium, and it was even less well-suited before you could swap out palettes during the game.
Mega Tact v1.1
Super Penguin Chef
Wizard Blocks
HQ: Big lead-up to something gross-looking
HQTE: The store is closed on Tuesdays
Unofficial sequel: Poorly-imported BMPs
The engine isn't well-suited to be a porn consumption medium, and it was even less well-suited before you could swap out palettes during the game.
Mega Tact v1.1
Super Penguin Chef
Wizard Blocks
Thu May 28, 2015 6:55 pm
So where does the clothing damage-based game I was making (and really should work on a bit more) fall into all this?
Thu May 28, 2015 8:47 pm
Pheonix wrote:
So where does the clothing damage-based game I was making (and really should work on a bit more) fall into all this?
Anthro Pillow Fight Babes Battle OHR?
To friends long gone, and those I've yet to meet - thank you.
Thu May 28, 2015 9:01 pm
Fenrir-Lunaris wrote:
Anthro Pillow Fight Babes Battle OHR? :o
The slice paper-dolling code and the weapon targeting code would be pretty easy to write, but I got bogged down when I tried to plan the enemy AI-- but that was before I started on Vorpal Florist, and I bet I could use the same approach that I used for the big bosses in that (where each component of the boss is a state machine based on callbacks, with a separation between movement/logic-updating callbacks and animation-updating callbacks)
Also, I find it hard to work on any heavily scripted game without a large enough percentage of the artwork already finished ;)
Fri May 29, 2015 12:42 am
Clothing based damage?
Yes.
I appreciate this. The next collaboration game we all work on should include this
Yes.
I appreciate this. The next collaboration game we all work on should include this
Fri May 29, 2015 2:31 am
Master K wrote:
Better to have too much to say than nothing to say, jackass.
Fri May 29, 2015 2:40 am
Fenrir-Lunaris wrote:
Anthro Pillow Fight Babes Battle OHR?
Sadly, no. It's an RPG [link probably on the safer side of things but let's be careful], which I guess isn't as enticing as some other genre options, but whatever.
Fri May 29, 2015 6:23 am
You know, I was just bored when I initially posted this, but it produced massively more of a response than I had anticipated. Giz, I read all of it and appreciated every word. I'm not going to make porn or sell out; I have too many deeply emotional and overzealous projects that I have yet to start and like you say, there's Google, so the work wouldn't even be worth it. And I don't know if this was exactly your point in there somewhere, but it's better for people to not laugh because they don't think you're funny rather than not laughing because they're too pissed off. I wore a pink Minnie Mouse tank top from the children's section of Target to class today, because I could. Some people thought it was funny. Other times I got comments like "put a shirt on" or "no, that doesn't count as a shirt," or "please."
So my point is, I was never planning on making anything to do with Hentai Quest in the first place, and my main reason for not doing so is because it's not my creation and I'm not going to ride on the trail of someone else's choo-choo train. I mean, drawing naked people also isn't my forte, but I'll do anything in the name of art.
Also, what does clothing damage-based game mean exactly? I'd rather see a pillow pillow-fighting game, where pillows battle pillows using pillow artillery. Not much progress is made.
EDIT: Oh Giz, you're such a tease.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife
So my point is, I was never planning on making anything to do with Hentai Quest in the first place, and my main reason for not doing so is because it's not my creation and I'm not going to ride on the trail of someone else's choo-choo train. I mean, drawing naked people also isn't my forte, but I'll do anything in the name of art.
Also, what does clothing damage-based game mean exactly? I'd rather see a pillow pillow-fighting game, where pillows battle pillows using pillow artillery. Not much progress is made.
EDIT: Oh Giz, you're such a tease.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife