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Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:45 am 
Yes, if you want a walkabout larger than 32x40 (the size of hero battle graphics) which animates normally, then unfortunately you will need to script the animation manually. I couldn't find a script on the wiki to do that, but it's actually not bad, if you're ok with a 1-tick delay/lag. The lag is practically unavoidable.
Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:38 am
I know I didn't wrote here for a long time, because I got along with my game very smoothly, but now there is another problem to solve, but I think I might have a little too less of programming knowledge to do it by myself.
So here's the problem:
I want to make a giant bird, called Crimson. The player should call him by using an item (simply a flute). But the full party has to be shown on the back of the bird, so the bird must be way larger than 20x20 pixels. The player should also take control over the bird whilst the party is on the bird. I know that this should be made with slices, but I get really confused if I try to do that on my own... so, can someone help men out here?
So here's the problem:
I want to make a giant bird, called Crimson. The player should call him by using an item (simply a flute). But the full party has to be shown on the back of the bird, so the bird must be way larger than 20x20 pixels. The player should also take control over the bird whilst the party is on the bird. I know that this should be made with slices, but I get really confused if I try to do that on my own... so, can someone help men out here?
Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:58 am
That depends on whether you want the bird to be controlled by the player or not. If not, it's easy to just use a big enemy sprite and then load it in the slice collection editor. Then when you call the script just load the slice collection and animate the bird however necessary.
The walkabouts are 20x20, and the big enemies are 80x80, so it might not work with one big enemy sprite, but in that case you can just spread it over two and set one as a parent to the other. If you want more specifics on how to use the slice editor, just press F1 in the menu, or I can help you out with whatever you need to know.
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The walkabouts are 20x20, and the big enemies are 80x80, so it might not work with one big enemy sprite, but in that case you can just spread it over two and set one as a parent to the other. If you want more specifics on how to use the slice editor, just press F1 in the menu, or I can help you out with whatever you need to know.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife
Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:35 am
Thanks for the quick reply!
The player should take control over the bird, so 4-directional "flying" is possible. the bird should also change sprites when its moving like he is actually using his wings to fly, and it should also have a sprite for each direction, that you can walk in. Also I think it's better when the bird cannot stop in mid-air, so if you press the UP key, for example, it goes into that direction instead of just lookin' there. I also thought about making an vehicle, but I don't know if slices are possible to use with vehicles...
The player should take control over the bird, so 4-directional "flying" is possible. the bird should also change sprites when its moving like he is actually using his wings to fly, and it should also have a sprite for each direction, that you can walk in. Also I think it's better when the bird cannot stop in mid-air, so if you press the UP key, for example, it goes into that direction instead of just lookin' there. I also thought about making an vehicle, but I don't know if slices are possible to use with vehicles...
Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:09 pm
Vehicles are just NPCs, and you can change their walkabout slices exactly like a normal NPC.
It seems to me that this question is identical to your last question, about whether you can use walkabout sprites which are larger than 32x40. Since it's a giant bird, I think that the 1-tick lag I talked about may be quite acceptable, which means you can use a pretty simple solution of working out which of the 8 walkabout frames should be shown:
where 'npc' is the vehicle npc; then you just set the npc walkabout slice to the right large enemy sprite (this bit is like walktall:):
Then call the above script every tick:
If you want a sprite which is bigger than 80x80, or has more than 16 colours, then you can just use backdrop slices instead of large enemies!
This is a bit incomplete, but I'm going to bed.
It seems to me that this question is identical to your last question, about whether you can use walkabout sprites which are larger than 32x40. Since it's a giant bird, I think that the 1-tick lag I talked about may be quite acceptable, which means you can use a pretty simple solution of working out which of the 8 walkabout frames should be shown:
Code:
plotscript, update big bird sprite, npc, begin
variable(sprite)
# large enemy spritesets: use spritesets from 50-57
sprite := 50 # change this!
sprite += npc direction(npc) * 2 + npc frame(npc) # 0-7
variable(sprite)
# large enemy spritesets: use spritesets from 50-57
sprite := 50 # change this!
sprite += npc direction(npc) * 2 + npc frame(npc) # 0-7
where 'npc' is the vehicle npc; then you just set the npc walkabout slice to the right large enemy sprite (this bit is like walktall:):
Code:
variable(sl, pic sl)
sl := get NPC slice(npc)
pic sl := lookup slice(sl:walkabout sprite component, sl)
replace large enemy sprite(pic sl, sprite)
end
variable(sl, pic sl)
sl := get NPC slice(npc)
pic sl := lookup slice(sl:walkabout sprite component, sl)
replace large enemy sprite(pic sl, sprite)
end
Then call the above script every tick:
Code:
while (true) do ( # change this
update big bird sprite(5) # change to npc ID number
wait(1)
)
while (true) do ( # change this
update big bird sprite(5) # change to npc ID number
wait(1)
)
If you want a sprite which is bigger than 80x80, or has more than 16 colours, then you can just use backdrop slices instead of large enemies!
This is a bit incomplete, but I'm going to bed.
Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:02 pm
Don't forget Froginator wants to have the visual include the four heroes riding. This will require just a bit of extra work, unless the game has predetermined which heroes the player will be using when the bird is called, and you also disallow swapping team order (in which case you can simply draw them as part of a single 'riding big bird' graphic).
My first idea is to have separate slices for the heroes. Have the script check the hero slots one by one, and attach the correct hero slice to the correct spot on the bird one by one. But I've never worked with slices. Is this the best approach?
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My first idea is to have separate slices for the heroes. Have the script check the hero slots one by one, and attach the correct hero slice to the correct spot on the bird one by one. But I've never worked with slices. Is this the best approach?
I am Srime
Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:20 pm
The heroes riding shouldn't be all too complicated to add to the rest of the script. All you should need to do is set them as children to the bird and then set their x,y positions accordingly.
Then you also have to change the heroes directions and positions relative to the bird when the bird changes direction. All you would need to do is update the heroes' positions while you update the bird's.
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Then you also have to change the heroes directions and positions relative to the bird when the bird changes direction. All you would need to do is update the heroes' positions while you update the bird's.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife
Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:27 pm
Thanks alot for the help with the bird problem! But I probably wouldn't post something here without having any question, right?
So I wanna make a hookshot-like item. Precisely it's going to be a snake, wich can grab (bite) onto wooden poles or special tiles, and can activate a special kind of lever. Can you help me out here?
So I wanna make a hookshot-like item. Precisely it's going to be a snake, wich can grab (bite) onto wooden poles or special tiles, and can activate a special kind of lever. Can you help me out here?
Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:28 am
Will it only work in straight lines? If so, that will make it much less complicated.
You should be able to use zones pretty effectively here. If you put a zone on the tile that the snake can bite onto, then you can have a script check if the snake is in that zone and then carry out an action.
For example, put zone 1 on a wooden pole, 4 tiles away from the player. Make a script that says when the player uses the snake, create an NPC (or slice) of the snake's head that moves out one tile from the player, in the direction the player is facing. Then have the script check if the snake head is in zone 1. If yes, then have the snake stop, then move the player to the snake (complicated, but let's take this one step at a time). If no, have the snake head move another tile forward, then check again if it's on zone 1, etc.
Now that I'm looking at this, I don't know that NPCs would work, because of movement zone issues, so you might have to replace all the NPC things with slices. Also, add in something that checks if it's at the edge of the screen, so it doesn't go forever. Sorry this isn't super detailed, but it's past midnight and I just got home. I hope it helps a little.
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You should be able to use zones pretty effectively here. If you put a zone on the tile that the snake can bite onto, then you can have a script check if the snake is in that zone and then carry out an action.
For example, put zone 1 on a wooden pole, 4 tiles away from the player. Make a script that says when the player uses the snake, create an NPC (or slice) of the snake's head that moves out one tile from the player, in the direction the player is facing. Then have the script check if the snake head is in zone 1. If yes, then have the snake stop, then move the player to the snake (complicated, but let's take this one step at a time). If no, have the snake head move another tile forward, then check again if it's on zone 1, etc.
Code:
plotscript, hoooksnake, begin
variable(x,y,snakex,snakey,shooting)
x := hero X(me)
y := hero Y(me)
# snake head is an NPC id
create NPC(snake head,x,y)
while(shooting) do, begin
walk NPC(snake head,hero direction(me),1)
wait for NPC(snake head)
snakex := NPC x(snake head)
snakey := NPC y(snake head)
if(read zone(1,snakex,snakey)) then(
# pull the player to the snake,
# and destroy the snake NPCs
shooting := false
)
end
end
plotscript, hoooksnake, begin
variable(x,y,snakex,snakey,shooting)
x := hero X(me)
y := hero Y(me)
# snake head is an NPC id
create NPC(snake head,x,y)
while(shooting) do, begin
walk NPC(snake head,hero direction(me),1)
wait for NPC(snake head)
snakex := NPC x(snake head)
snakey := NPC y(snake head)
if(read zone(1,snakex,snakey)) then(
# pull the player to the snake,
# and destroy the snake NPCs
shooting := false
)
end
end
Now that I'm looking at this, I don't know that NPCs would work, because of movement zone issues, so you might have to replace all the NPC things with slices. Also, add in something that checks if it's at the edge of the screen, so it doesn't go forever. Sorry this isn't super detailed, but it's past midnight and I just got home. I hope it helps a little.
My pronouns are they/them
Ps. I love my wife
Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:00 pm
I want to implement an Earthbound-Style Battle system in my game, but how?
Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:31 pm
1. Start by making a regular Dragon Quest battle system.
2. Drink until the background spins.
2. Drink until the background spins.
Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:18 pm
xD I laughed so hard that I've nearly slimed myself xD
No I mean the engine not the background
No I mean the engine not the background
Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:59 pm
I have a little experience in this department. What you're looking for is going to be fairly difficult. It's going to be a long road, it's going to frustrate the hell out of you and at the end of the day it might not even be worth the while. I don't know if there's any engines out there devoted to an Earthbound/Dragon Warrior kind of battle, but finding one is probably going to be easier than making one.
*IF* you choose to go forward with making one in the OHR, I would urge you to try and half-ass it. Just doing a black backdrop (Or a trippy animated one) and drawing your enemies in that perspective would be a fine start and no one would think less of you for doing it that way. The default battle engine will have a little bit of weirdness (I think there'll be some cursors on the right side of the screen you can't get rid of), but the advantage is that all of the hard parts of targetting, HP, status effects, all of that crap are already done for you and you'll generally have a way nicer time of trying to make stuff happen.
*IF* that is insufficient to your needs and *IF* you're brave enough to try, the solution is going to involve slices for every enemy, slices for every hero, a hell of a lot of scripting and maths for enemy AIs, a hell of a lot of scripting and maths for stuff like poison and stun, and a whole heck of a lot of custom scripting. I've tried something like this twice and it's never worked out very well.
In short, it's going to be hard.
*IF* you choose to go forward with making one in the OHR, I would urge you to try and half-ass it. Just doing a black backdrop (Or a trippy animated one) and drawing your enemies in that perspective would be a fine start and no one would think less of you for doing it that way. The default battle engine will have a little bit of weirdness (I think there'll be some cursors on the right side of the screen you can't get rid of), but the advantage is that all of the hard parts of targetting, HP, status effects, all of that crap are already done for you and you'll generally have a way nicer time of trying to make stuff happen.
*IF* that is insufficient to your needs and *IF* you're brave enough to try, the solution is going to involve slices for every enemy, slices for every hero, a hell of a lot of scripting and maths for enemy AIs, a hell of a lot of scripting and maths for stuff like poison and stun, and a whole heck of a lot of custom scripting. I've tried something like this twice and it's never worked out very well.
In short, it's going to be hard.
Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:22 pm
I think the easiest way to do a Dragon Quest/Earthbound style battle system is to put the built in battle system into "Turn Based" mode, draw enemy sprites facing the screen, and leave hero sprites blank.
Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:54 pm
This is also important for first person battles,
--General Game data
--- Preference Bitsets
EDIT: sorry if someone already said this, I didn't read through the entire thread
--General Game data
--- Preference Bitsets
EDIT: sorry if someone already said this, I didn't read through the entire thread