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Define stealing.
Nothing is truly nailed down in this world. It only depends on how severe and noticeable. Pirating a song. Pirating a movie. Pirating a game.
They're going after people who download...but not the people that upload. It's like punishing drug users and not going after the dealers themselves.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:42 pm 
Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:09 pm
Gizmog wrote:
Then people need to quit stealing everything that isn't nailed down so the government doesn't feel they have a need to take over the internet.
The government itself doesn't have a strong interest one way or another. It's the MPAA and RIAA that are pushing this initiative.
Besides, this is a red herring. Government has plenty of other reasons to want to regulate and monitor the Internet.
(I don't pirate, but I would totally download a car.)
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Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:57 pm
The only thing that really concerns me is if anyone gets punished out of misunderstanding (like on youtube) and no one will actually look into the situation (like on youtube). This sort of thing already goes on enough on youtube (like on youtube).
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Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:50 pm
Master K wrote:
They're going after people who download...but not the people that upload. It's like punishing drug users and not going after the dealers themselves.
Incorrect. Downloading is actually not a crime, uploading is. The spying software will only affect people uploading, not downloading.
However, things tend to get fuzzy with Torrents.
Meowskivich wrote:
The only thing that really concerns me is if anyone gets punished out of misunderstanding (like on youtube) and no one will actually look into the situation (like on youtube). This sort of thing already goes on enough on youtube (like on youtube).
People getting punished over misunderstandings has happened since laws were first invented and will continue to happen forever. Or law enforcers are as knowledgable about the law as laywers, which they never are.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:54 pm
Spoonweaver wrote:
Incorrect. Downloading is actually not a crime, uploading is. The spying software will only affect people uploading, not downloading.
However, things tend to get fuzzy with Torrents.
Master K wrote:
They're going after people who download...but not the people that upload. It's like punishing drug users and not going after the dealers themselves.
Incorrect. Downloading is actually not a crime, uploading is. The spying software will only affect people uploading, not downloading.
However, things tend to get fuzzy with Torrents.
Nah, both uploading and downloading without permission are copyright violations, but it is true that uploaders are far more popular targets for enforcement. (and it does indeed get very fuzzy with torrents)
Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:19 pm
Spoony weaver wrote:
People getting punished over misunderstandings has happened since laws were first invented and will continue to happen forever. Or law enforcers are as knowledgable about the law as laywers, which they never are.
Yeah. But youtube is horrendous about it. Seriously, I've had charges of music infringements on videos that's just me commenting on the game I'm playing by, wait for it.....orange!
Yep. Orange. Apparently oranges can file claims against your own voice and totally halt things on your accounts, gotta love youtube.
There's misunderstanding punishment by people misunderstanding, then there's misunderstanding by lazy people thinking machines can handle that sort of madness and not bothering to do much about it otherwise misunderstanding, which is what I worry about.
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:30 pm
Here on Brasil we got something familiar that is called traffic shaping.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
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When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:40 pm
misac wrote:
Here on Brasil we got something familiar that is called traffic shaping.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:52 pm
BMR wrote:
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
misac wrote:
Here on Brasil we got something familiar that is called traffic shaping.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
They simply don't mind, Everything is Automated.
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:27 pm
BMR wrote:
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
misac wrote:
Here on Brasil we got something familiar that is called traffic shaping.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
People downloading games from Steam aren't downloading 60 GB a day and uploading 120 GB a day every day they're online. There is an enormous difference in traffic from a legit user and someone engaging in mass torrenting, which is who companies want to target. Even someone streaming HD video all day isn't going to come close to the bandwidth usage that would trigger alarms in most places. Also ISPs are smart enough to see when someone is channeling their bandwidth exclusively through Netflix/Steam.
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:30 pm
That sounds nice to know.
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:58 am
The Wobbler wrote:
People downloading games from Steam aren't downloading 60 GB a day and uploading 120 GB a day every day they're online. There is an enormous difference in traffic from a legit user and someone engaging in mass torrenting, which is who companies want to target. Even someone streaming HD video all day isn't going to come close to the bandwidth usage that would trigger alarms in most places. Also ISPs are smart enough to see when someone is channeling their bandwidth exclusively through Netflix/Steam.
BMR wrote:
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
misac wrote:
Here on Brasil we got something familiar that is called traffic shaping.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
When someone is downloading too much they understand it as torrent usage and then your connection speed is narrowed.
But what if you're downloading something legally? Like from Steam or something?
People downloading games from Steam aren't downloading 60 GB a day and uploading 120 GB a day every day they're online. There is an enormous difference in traffic from a legit user and someone engaging in mass torrenting, which is who companies want to target. Even someone streaming HD video all day isn't going to come close to the bandwidth usage that would trigger alarms in most places. Also ISPs are smart enough to see when someone is channeling their bandwidth exclusively through Netflix/Steam.
Hmm, makes sense. Only time I've downloaded nearly that much in a single go was when I discovered PD 50s and 60s noir on the Internet Archive, and even then I didn't get close to that much traffic.
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:48 pm
The Wobbler wrote:
People downloading games from Steam aren't downloading 60 GB a day and uploading 120 GB a day every day they're online. There is an enormous difference in traffic from a legit user and someone engaging in mass torrenting, which is who companies want to target. Even someone streaming HD video all day isn't going to come close to the bandwidth usage that would trigger alarms in most places. Also ISPs are smart enough to see when someone is channeling their bandwidth exclusively through Netflix/Steam.
...Unless that ISP is Comcast
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:18 am
Are you saying you downloaded stuff through Steam and got a letter like "QUIT DOWNLOADING GAMES, YO"? Or just the "Quit using so much fucking bandwidth, asshole!" kind of thing, because a lot of them are pretty harsh on anyone who uses what they feel is "too much" bandwidth 'cause it makes everyone else's slower, or some crap.
Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:23 am
A lot of ISPs have unreasonably hard bandwidth caps regardless of activity and that does suck, but it's a very different issue. (The issue is America's internet infrastructure is terrible)
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