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 PostSun Apr 08, 2012 3:22 pm
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BMR wrote:
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I'd probably just pick one of the SaGa games. Yeah, you might beat the game, but the difficulty of you ever figuring out how to play the game you just beat is much more challenging.


Never actually played any of these. Would it be a worth it to give them a go?


Absolutely. They're fascinating exercises in pushing raw obfuscation in games. They're not exactly good games, but on account of them being so hard to figure out they have the unique property of it being nearly impossible getting bored of "yeah I understand how to play this, now just keep shoving content at me until we're done here". Getting bored of being frustrated/confused is another thing, though.

I don't even know where to say to begin with them though.
The Romancing SaGa remake on the PS2 is pretty interesting, though it probably has the highest barrier of figuring out where to even go because what quests are even possible to do at any given moment is constantly shifting. You probably don't want to go anywhere near Unlimited SaGa, as a bit of a fan of the series I can't even go near it since it's the most luck driven RPG of all time.

SaGa Frontier 1 has the whole setup of multiple short stories where you keep on choosing characters until you reach the final character. Most the characters have pretty drastically different set ups so if you get stuck on one you can try another, so it might be kinder to start with. It's also probably the craziest story wise.

The SaGa gameboy games (aka final fantasy legend) are probably the least crazy, but they still have oddities like weapons with deterioration and being totally okay with making your game unwinnable if you miss one item. I actually enjoyed 2 quite a bit, but largely because it was the only portable RPG you could play at the time so you took what you could get.

Other notables is that Final Fantasy 2 was designed by the lead SaGa guy which is why it's so weird and is basically the precursor to SaGa, while The Last Remnant is the most recent game by him and might as well be another SaGa game given its style (it's also even more interesting since it tries to merge traditional RPG and tactical RPGs to some success).
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 PostSun Apr 08, 2012 10:37 pm
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SaGa 1 (Gameboy) is really easy due to a combination of how exploitable it is and how it's not that hard to begin with, so I don't think it belongs in this thread. SaGa 3 was pretty easy as well from what I've played (despite having not beaten it).
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 PostSun Apr 08, 2012 11:03 pm
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Newbie Newtype wrote:
SaGa 1 (Gameboy) is really easy due to a combination of how exploitable it is and how it's not that hard to begin with, so I don't think it belongs in this thread. SaGa 3 was pretty easy as well from what I've played (despite having not beaten it).


I've played and beaten the WSC remake several times in Japanese. I don't speak Japanese, but it doesn't take long to figure out the kanji for stuff like "Stone" or "Poison".

The game itself is somewhat harder, but not impossibly so. By and large the game was "balanced" from the old Gameboy days, with the exception of a few odd bugs and quirks that were easy to fix (ESP is supposed to have the same power as a Bronze Shield, but doesn't work because of a misplaced byte). And the Saw trick doesn't work anymore, so you'll have to beat the game legitimately now. The WSC version also threw me for a loop because your stats actually have a cap to them, unlike the Gameboy (so you really can't overlevel at ALL). This makes the endgame more difficult in that you just can't cheese your way through every fight with 240 Strength and a Sunsword, and rather have to do it with 99 and the Excalibur. Magic gets far more utility in the remake though, so it's a viable strategy. Mutants/Espers may be the better option long-term since the Mana stat also affects magic DEFENSE, since in the endgame that'll end up being more important than anything else.

Fun fact: SaGa 3 got remade for the DS. It's MUCH more different than it used to be.
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 PostMon Apr 09, 2012 4:11 am
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Newbie Newtype wrote:
SaGa 1 (Gameboy) is really easy due to a combination of how exploitable it is and how it's not that hard to begin with, so I don't think it belongs in this thread. SaGa 3 was pretty easy as well from what I've played (despite having not beaten it).


I was doing a series overview for someone new to the series, not pointing out every single entry as being hard.
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 PostTue Apr 10, 2012 10:48 pm
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Granny.RPG
You play an old lady with very low speed and four HP. Enemies have normal RPG stats.

The game is literally impossible to win even a single fight.
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 PostTue Apr 10, 2012 11:54 pm
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The hardest game I've ever played is the impossible, physically painful Pulp Fiction Drinking Game. For every f-bomb you take a drink, I partook in said game this time last week and have only now truly recovered.

On a more serious/sane (that game was very real!) note I've found Shin Megami Tensei: Lucifer's Call to be both long and difficult! No game has dominated me the way, for this long as this thing has.

The reason I keep coming back to it is, like all Atlus games, it doesn't suffer from that dreadful emulated difficulty that you get with most games that are trying to up the game time. If you're grinding too much, then you're probably not using the right strategy against an enemy/boss.
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 PostWed Apr 11, 2012 8:32 pm
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Zelda 2: Link's Adventure.
'Nuff said.
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 PostWed Apr 11, 2012 9:03 pm
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andy593646 wrote:
Zelda 2: Link's Adventure.

But I can actually beat that!


Some other very difficult games I've played:
- Hydlide (NES)
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Game Gear)
- Vectorman (Genesis)
- Vectorman 2 (Genesis)

My mom was able to beat Vectorman on INSANE back in the '90s, but I'm sure she's out of practice now. I was personally able to beat it on LAME back then, but can't anymore.

I have no living memory of finishing any of these games.
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 PostWed Apr 11, 2012 11:08 pm
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has anyone mentioned QWOP yet
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 PostWed Apr 11, 2012 11:32 pm
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The hardest game ever is high level Starcraft multiplayer FACT.
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